tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-85943536376332572742023-11-15T06:52:07.516-08:00Stump CraigAsk genealogy questions to Craig R. Scott, CG.Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04979656550667406214noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-48550941426968773382013-09-05T06:17:00.001-07:002013-09-05T06:17:39.279-07:00Personal Servants in the Army<span style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-family: arial; font-size: x-small;">Records of reimbursement for payment of travel and subsistence of officers prior to the Civil War are found in Record Group 217, Entry 516, Settled Accounts of Army Paymasters. The documents contain information relating to reimbursement for the travel and subsistence of valets and personal servants. Officers would file with the appropriate paymaster quarterly. In order to efficiently access these records in the National Archives, the time period and the name of the paymaster have to be known. This makes them difficult to use. One work around is to located the officer seeking reimbursement on a muster roll of a fort or post and from that roll determine the name of the paymaster of that fort and post.</span><br />
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As a side note, Revolutionary War and War of 1812 (prior to 1871) survivor, invalid, widow, widow half-pay pensioner payment vouchers, not found in pension agencies? This may be because the pensioner lived on the frontier and obtained their payments from the local post or fort paymaster.</div>
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Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-13679840542800809322013-02-05T06:41:00.001-08:002013-02-05T06:41:45.851-08:00A Father and a Son, Two of the Same Name<br />
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I wondered if you could solve a puzzle for me if you have time. I'm working on a supplemental DAR app and I'm finding the records confusing for a Samuel Peck, Milford, CT. There are two Samuel Pecks, father and son:</blockquote>
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<br />Samuel Peck b. 22 Aug 1736 Milford, New Haven, CT<br />m. 7 Jul 1762 Mehitable Smith, d. of Ephraim Smith and Sarah Newton, all of Milford.<br />d. 18 Jun 1822 Orange, New Haven, CT</blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">This is the Captain in the 1st CT Continental Line who does not get a pension, probably because he did not have sufficient qualifying service for the 1818 pension; although he probably would have qualified if he had lived to time of the 1832 act. He also serves at a later date in CT State Troops. </span></div>
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and son,<br />Samuel Peck b. 19 Oct 1764 Milford<br />m. 13 Jan 1796 Mehitable Ingersoll, d. of David Ingersoll and Clemence Treat, all of Milford<br />d. 21 Aug 1842 Milford</blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">This is the 16 year old who does get a pension under the 1832 act, having served for the required six months. </span></div>
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<br />Fold 3 has two files on "Samuel Peck of Milford". One is the son, Samuel Peck, b. 1764 and he was a guard at the fort at Milford for one year 1780-81 and received a pension (He would have been 16 yr. old - is this too young?)</blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">It is not.</span></div>
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In the pension letter from the government they state he is S#17012 or 13 on an earlier page. (<a href="http://www.fold3.com/image/#25947110" target="_blank">http://www.fold3.com/image/#<wbr></wbr>25947110</a>). In the same file the government is talking about the Samuel Peck b. 1736 (the father)...confusing.</blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">17012 it is. </span></div>
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<span style="color: blue;">This is the 16 year old pension file. The only thing that I find in the file is descendants telling the government that this is Samuel Peck the Capt. At no time, that I can see is the government telling anyone that this person is the Captain. The fill in the blank form may be confusing, but it is the government asking the person to fill in the blanks and they do and send it back. They, the descendants got it wrong, not the government.</span></div>
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<br />The other file on "Samuel Peck" does not give a soldier # or town but he has been acknowleged by DAR as Samuel Peck of Milford (DAR Ancestor #: A087701 ) b, 1736 and married to Mehitable Smith. ( <a href="http://www.fold3.com/image/#17022876" target="_blank">http://www.fold3.com/image/#<wbr></wbr>17022876</a>). </blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">This is the compiled military service record for Samuel, the father who was in Captain Donaldson's State troops. He served previously in the 1st CT Continental Line.</span><br />
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I believe this is the Samuel Peck mentioned as Captain in Col Douglas's unit in <i>Record of Service of Connecticut Men in the I. War of the Revolution II. War of 1812 III. Mexican War</i>, comp. by Authority of the General Assembly, under directionof the office of the Adjutants-General, The Case, Lockwood & Brainard Company:Hartford, 1889, pp. 406, 408 (<a href="http://www.archive.org/" target="_blank">http://www.archive.org</a>). </blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">This is the father.</span><br />
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On p. 660 of the same source it shows a pension for a Samuel Peck in Milford, age 75 (which would mean it was the Samuel Peck b. 1764).</blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">Although I agree that this might seem to be Samuel Peck, the father it can not be. The listing is from the List of Pensioners on the 1840 census and the father is dead in 1822. So he can't be on the 1840 census based on the given date of death. So it is clearly what it says it is, Samuel Peck, pensioner, 75 in 1840 and it has to be the son.</span></div>
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<br />The father would have been at least 40 yr. old at the start of the Revolution and the son would have been been 16 yrs. in 1780 as a Fort guard.</blockquote>
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<br />So, do you think the files all relate to Samuel Peck b. 1736 and that he was mixed up in the files with his son? If so, how do I correct the file?</blockquote>
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<span style="color: blue;">There is nothing to correct. The files, with the exception of the compiled service record relate to the son, not the father.</span></div>
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<span style="color: blue;">It all looks right to me, if you take into account the voice that is speaking in the records. Only the descendants have it wrong. </span></div>
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<span style="color: blue;"><i>We always have to look for and identify the voice in a record. In some records there is more than one and we have to understand the role of each in the record. In this case the government was asking clarifying questions of the person who was making the query. The person responded, unfortunately with wrong information. By not understanding the voice, one can be led to believe that the government is making the statement, and that therefore it is true (lol), but is really is just a questionnaire full of a few incorrect answers.</i></span></div>
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Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-13439477255947280642013-01-03T10:28:00.004-08:002013-01-03T10:28:44.282-08:00Ellsworth as a middle nameToday I was talking with someone who loves to research in Loudoun County, Virginia. A place that I love also. She asked me about the surname Ellsworth. Evidently she has several folk in and from that area that have the middle name of Ellsworth. Only problem is that Ellsworth is not a Loudoun County surname, at least not about 1860, which is just before these kids are being born.<br />
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And could I explain it? She has surnames like Frye in her family. And that is generally a northern Loudoun, Lovettsville kind of surname. German Settlement, Union sympathizer kind of surname, usually. So I asked and her people were those type of Loudoun folk. The kind that spent as much time in Ohio as they did Loudoun during the war (a trait of Germans and Quakers of the area).<br />
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I knew why immediately.<br />
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The answer: Elmer Ephriam Ellsworth.<br />
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If you wiki him you will see why I think this is the answer.<br />
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Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-58602239997720495772012-12-02T08:11:00.002-08:002012-12-02T08:11:40.734-08:00I had so much FUN!!!!!Who would have thought that I could have so much FUN!!! right after I had so much FUN!!!<br />
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I have just returned from spending a few days in the David Library of the American Revolution in Washington's Crossing Pennsylvania. For a know it all like me learning new stuff just makes my day. It makes me a better know it all. And this trip I just did not stop learning new stuff. I am working on a book (okay, so I am always working on a book and one day one will actually get done, I know, I know) that jumped out at me as being some thing that had to be done. A How-To on Hessians.<br />
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So for a few days I looked at everything Hessian and it was a non-stop, "I didn't know that" or "I didn't think about that" kind of experience. Of course, I am going to save those revelations for the book, but no matter.<br />
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Out of the experience came news that after July 1782 (somewhere is mention in the Papers of the Continental Congress, but I haven't looked at is deeply yet) if was possible for a Hessian to get out of prison by joining the Continental Army, or for the amount of $80.00 to obtain a redemption certificate and basically get a get out of prison camp free card. Had to sign an oath of allegiance. If he did not have $80.00 he could indenture himself to someone who made the payment for them (wonder if there are records somewhere about these guys) and work off the debt. Or of course he could stay in prison. This put an entirely different view on my view of how Hessians joined the Continental Army. So the question is if a Hessian gets a redemption certificate and heads into the wilds of Pennsylvania or The Valley is he really a deserter?<br />
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If you don't know the David Library you should. Google it and see all the neat things they have in their catalog. If you have an interest in anything between 1750 and 1800 this is the place to be. I could have spent a month. The next time the Bucks County Genealogical Society invites me to come and speak I will be much better prepared to take advantage of the facility. I think that is called a research plan.<br />
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Thank you the David Library of the American Revolution.<br />
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<br />Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-67605760268011711562012-11-27T13:40:00.001-08:002012-11-27T13:40:17.688-08:00More than one way to skin a CMSR<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"></span><br />
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;"><i>I have been looking for military records on Fold3 and couldn't help
noticing your involvement there. Consequently, I have a question regarding
the Civil War Records. Specifically, I wish to locate a military record for
<strong>William Carter</strong> who served in<strong> Co. C, 8th
Missouri Infantry, CSA (Mitchell's</strong>). The index for this company,
however, begins at Cl-G! I do have a Company C roster which does, in fact,
begin with Adamson, Isaac. (I spot checked two other names from the list,
and they were included.) Putting in the soldier's name brings me negative
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try this:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.fold3.com/s.php#query=8th&s_given_name=William&s_surname=Carter&ocr=0&offset=1&preview=1&t=35&p_place_usa=MO,none" target="_blank">http://www.fold3.com/s.php#<wbr></wbr>query=8th&s_given_name=<wbr></wbr>William&s_surname=Carter&ocr=<wbr></wbr>0&offset=1&preview=1&t=35&p_<wbr></wbr>place_usa=MO,none</a><br />
<br />if that does not work do this search:<br /><br />William Carter<br />Confederate<br />Missouri<br />8th<br /><br />there is a single abstract card.</div>
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My search rotation <span style="font-size: x-small;">with Fold3 is Brow<span style="font-size: x-small;">se, Search, Advanced Se<span style="font-size: x-small;">arch. </span></span></span></div>
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Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-28475222248001751382012-11-19T11:13:00.002-08:002012-11-19T11:17:58.550-08:00War of 1812 Compiled Military Service RecordsI received a request for info a while back that I thought I would share.<br />
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Are there service records for the War of 1812. I found my ancestor in the Register of Enlistments. I thought he was in the militia.<br />
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First there are compiled military service records for volunteer soldiers (like militia and state troops) if the War Department managed to obtain the muster or payrolls. The index to these compiled miltary service records are found on NARA microfilm and are available on Ancestry.com. Some complied military service records were microfilmed and are now also on Fold3. These are the records that relate to Uriah Blue's Detachment of Chickasaw Indians, Maj. McIntosh's Company of Creek Indians, sailors on Lake Erie and soldiers from the Territory of Mississippi.<br />
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There are no compiled military service records for Regular Army personnel. You have to create those on your own. The first step is to find the person on the Register of Enlistments to see what it has to say. From there you should be able to obtain the company and regiment that the person belongs to. From there you go to RG94, Records of the Adjutant Generals Office and the series entries that are in the 90s. These include enlistment papers, medical certificates and personal papers.<br />
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In addition to the 90s, as I call them there is one other place you might consult. That is M1856, Discharge Certificates and Miscellaneous Records Relating to the Discharge of Soldiers from the Regular Army, 1792-1815. These six rolls of microfilm are really interesting. The joy for me is the miscellaneous records part. The other joy is the finding aid which is available as a .pdf file through the online microfilm catalog. It is 116 pages of searchable names. There is also information from these records in a section on the Archives.gov website that is called War of 1812 Discharge Certificates. <br />
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It is also possible for a person to both be in the militia and the Regular Army, just not at the same time. Many militiamen join the Regular Army during the war. Many researchers fail to recognize that when the militiaman falls off the rolls, he might have joined the Regular Army. Prior to Ancestry putting up the Register of Enlistments this was generally ignored because the registers are a real pain to deal with. Today there is really no excuse.<br />
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There are additional resources for War of 1812 research which can be found at:<br />
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www.archives.gov/research/alic/reference/military/war-of-1812.html<br />
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At a minimum, you should read Stuart L. Butler's article on Genealogical Records of the War of 1812.<br />
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There is also a list of links to other resources at this URL.<br />
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Butler has several books which I use often in my Virginia research in the War of 1812. My favorite has been recently revised.<br />
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<a href="http://heritagebooks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HBI&Product_Code=107-Gtvm2" name="gtvm2" target="_blank">A GUIDE TO VIRGINIA MILITIA UNITS IN THE WAR OF 1812 Stuart Lee Butler, second edition, revised and expanded. 8 x 10,</a><br />
<img align="right" border="0" hspace="5" src="http://genealogyresources.org/1812%20cover.jpg" vspace="0" />2011, xvi, 270 pages, index, maps, photos. When this volume first was
published in 1988, it quickly became a definitive study on the role
played by the Virginia militia in defense of both the state and the
nation in the Anglo-British conflict.
The author of the volume spent his career with the National Archives and
Records Administration in the Old military and Civil Branch Records,
where he specialized in early American military records. Since his
retirement, Mr. Butler has continued his research in the area of the War
of 1812, and with the upcoming bicentennial of the conflict, the
product of this expanded research is presented in this new work. The
primary sources of information for this enlarged volume
are found among the massive holdings of the National Archives and
Records Administration in
Washington, DC. In addition, materials have been drawn from numerous
other state and local
archival collections to present a balanced, scholarly account of the
Virginia militia and its role
in this war. This book is as complete a guide to the militia units
raised in Virginia as records permit. The book is
divided into three parts: Part I describes the organization of the
Virginia militia, i.e., its
regiments, battalions, and companies, and explains in what manner it
was to be called up
during an emergency. Part II frames an expanded history of the role
played by the Virginia militia during
this conflict. Part III, the largest portion, is a county-by-county
listing of the units, with the
naming of the regimental commanders, company commanders, and the known
action and movements of the unit during the war. The
book includes the name of the company or unit commander, not every
soldier who served
within that unit. Researchers who have secured copies of CMSRs
[compiled military service
records] from the National Archives or other sources will be able to
determine the unit in which a
soldier served, where and when that unit operated, and, in most
instances, ascertain the soldier's
county of origin. A complete index of unit commanders completes this
standard reference work. What is presented here is a distillation of a
life's research by the premier scholar in the field of the War of 1812.<br />
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<b><cite>VIRGINIA SOLDIERS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY, 1800-1815</cite></b>
compiled by Stuart Lee Butler.
1986, paper, 188 pages, introduction, index. This volume contains the abstracted service
records
of 5,193 Virginians who enlisted in the regular United States army during the period
1800-1815.
Material is taken from the Register of Enlistments now in the custody of the National
Archives.
The list contains, wherever possible: full name; unit to which he was assigned; occupation
prior to
enlistment; county of birth; age; place and date of enlistment, and status at the end of his term
of
services (i.e., date and place of discharge, desertion, death, or other record. This book will
become a major reference tool for genealogists in this period of Virginia history. Many of the
pioneer families in the mid-west were descended from these cashiered soldiers at the end of
the
war.<br />
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He also wrote a book on the titled <a href="http://heritagebooks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HBI&Product_Code=101-B4775" target="_blank"><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica;"><b>Real Patriots and Heroic Soldiers: Gen. Joel Leftwich and the Virginia Brigade in the War of 1812 </b></span></a><br />
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Hope all of this helps.<br />
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C.<br />
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<br />Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-19228666080932993282012-11-19T10:15:00.001-08:002012-11-19T10:15:52.217-08:00I had so much FUN!!!! <h3 class="post-title entry-title" itemprop="name">
[I posted this on my As Craig Sees It Blog, but I thought it needed to be here also; hope you don't mind]<br />
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I just spent a week in the National Archives as a tour leader for the
National Genealogical Society First Annual (at least I hope it is an
annual event) D.C. Research Tour.<br />
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I have to tell you that I had a blast. Twenty-four people all anxious to
learn more about records in the National Archives. What more could I
guy like me ask for?<br />
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It was so much fun that I thought I would do it again. Only this time as
a Heritage Books tour. And in such a way that it would not conflict
with the 2nd Annual National Genealogical Society D.C. Research Trip.<br />
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One of the problems with the D.C. trip, and I am not being critical, is
that orientation to the tour occurred the night before the first visit
to NARA. I think that can be solved by using a GoToMeeting format and
having orientation a week or so before the event so there is time to let
it rest and have time to think about it. And then of course have a
quick check closer to the event.<br />
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Then my mind wrapped around the possibilities. Why not have about four
lectures spread over the month before the event that dealt with the
theme. So if the theme was Revolutionary War it might look like this:<br />
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Orientation<br />
Understanding Revolutionary War Compiled Military Service Records<br />
Understanding Revolutionary War Pensions<br />
Understanding Pension Ledgers, Pension Payments, Last and Final Payments<br />
Understanding Bounty Land<br />
(requires internet connection, headset, and whatever else it takes to
make GoToMeeting work on your end. Sessions will be recorded and
available for download later, maybe provided on a flash drive to participants) <br />
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Tour<br />
Three days at the National Archives<br />
Two days at the DAR Library<br />
(meaning that I will be at each one of these places on the appropriate days and available for guidance and consultation) <br />
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Hotel and Food on you.<br />
Transportation to and from facilities on you.<br />
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Cost: $225<br />
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What do you think of the concept?<br />
What themes should be considered?<br />
What facilities should be visited?<br />
What have I forgotten?<br />
Would you go?<br />
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Help me, please.<br />
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C.Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-29621050581743185342012-07-18T08:55:00.000-07:002012-07-18T08:55:57.549-07:00What Grandmother Said?<style>
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chipping at for about 35 years, and I thought I’d run it by you:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">My grandmother Ruby Reed left a
hand-drawn family tree that indicated that her mother’s father (1822—1863) was
killed in the Civil War.</span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">So the only evidence that you have that your grandmother's mother's father was
a Prosser is this family tree? And some people of that surname in a later
census found in the household of others?</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Ruby’s mother was Rhoda Ruth Prosser,
who was born in Hillsdale, Michigan in 1860. Rhoda’s younger brother
Charles was born about 1863, and their mother (also named Rhoda) remarried, to
Henry Jones, in 1865. I have not been able to find the Prossers on the
1860 census of Hillsdale, and of course by 1870 they are listed with Henry Jones.
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Although you do not mention Robin Wilsey in this post as the father of Rhoda
Ruth, you state that is the case in your blog according to her death record.
There is an R. Wilsey in the 1860 census in Michigan (Tuscola, Fremont, p. 27),
with a wife Rhoda and a three-year-old daughter, Rhoda. Are you sure that this
is not your family of interest. Rhoda, the daughter is born in Michigan, but it
looks like they came from Canada just before 1858. </span><br style="color: red;" /><span style="color: red;">
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So one has to ask what the basis is for the assertion that Rhoda Ruth is born
in Hillsdale, Michigan in 1860. Could it be that the Rhoda in the household of
R. Wilsey in 1860 is this person?</span><br style="color: red;" />
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If that I nos the case than Ruby Reed's mother's (Rhoda Jones) father would be
a Wilsey, not a Prosser. Is is possible that Rhoda Wilsey, wife of R. Wilsey
(aka Robin) remarried to a Prosser and that the man who died in the Civil War
was Wilsey and her mother remarried a Prosser, only to marry Henry Jones at a
later date prior to 1870?</span> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">It’s taken me a long time to learn of
Rhoda Prosser Jones’ death (she was indeed hit by a train – or possibly
murdered) in 1883, and even longer to understand that she would not have
received a pension, because she had remarried. </span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">But her children under certain circumstances would have in the event of her
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">So, I have the Civil War pension
records for every male Prosser who fought in a Michigan regiment during the
Civil War.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">In looking at the list of Michigan
soldiers from Hillsdale county (on the Hillsdale US GenWeb), there is one
Prosser – Lewis Prosser, who was 17 in (presumably) 1861. That seems way
too young, as Rhoda was about 30 when my great grandmother was born.</span></div>
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</span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Would it be productive to explore the military records
of all the Prossers from Michigan, who fought in the Civil War? I’ve
looked on Fold3, and they only have index cards. According to the Civil
War Soldiers & Sailors, there were 7 Prossers who fought from Michigan, and
some of those names I recognize as being men I have pension records for.
For that matter, since Prosser is a fairly unusual name, maybe I should explore
ALL Prossers who fought on the Union side!</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">2.</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: 7.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">
</span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">And, since Prosser is an unusual name, it has occurred to me
that perhaps my great-great-grandfather wasn’t alone in the state of Michigan,
that perhaps he had brothers or cousins there as well. And perhaps I
should explore the families & ancestries of those other Prossers. I’m
doing a proof argument on Charles Prosser (who died in Chicago in 1910), and in
arguing that the two Charles Prossers in Michigan during the right time period
are not my great-grandmother’s brother, I’ve discovered that those other two
Charles Prossers are actually related to each other – 2<sup>nd</sup>
cousins. AND, what is stranger still, all three Charles Prossers had sons
named Earl.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">I would also look at the Wilsey
families in the area to the same depth, but believe because they were new to
the area you might not find much.</span></div>
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be greatly appreciated!</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">My sense of this is that Robin Wilsey
and Rhoda Wilsey of the 1860 census are the parents of your Rhoda.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">That Rhoda Wilsey would married a
Prosser prior to 1863 and have Charles.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">That Rhoda would then marry Henry
Jones. will will will will and will you will you as you is a you and a you a you</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">And then Henry would kill her, but that
is just a guess. </span></div>
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<br /></div>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-70010022668519407692012-07-16T07:42:00.000-07:002012-07-16T07:42:04.266-07:00Marine Corps Muster Roll Remarks<div>
While researching U.S. Marine Corps records for a client, I located muster
rolls noting that this ancestor was put on probation in early 1938 and spent
several months “sick” [and hospitalized] before his last found record in January
1939.</div>
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The following discharge notes were included in that final muster roll.</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">“1, jd by S/Rs fr Bty C, 1<sup>st</sup> Bn,
10<sup>th</sup> Mar, 1<sup>st</sup> Mar Brig, FMF, Post. 1-17, con Post Prison
awtg BCD. 18, jd in person. 18, BCD in pursuant of sent of SCM. Char
Bad.”</span></div>
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1,
joined by Service/Records from Battery C, First Battalion, Tenth
Marines, First Marine Brigade, Fleet Marine Force, Post 1 - 17, confined
Post Prison awaiting Bad Conduct Discharge, 18, judged in person. 18,
Bad Conduct Discharge in pursuant of sentence of Summary Court Martial.
Character of Service: Bad</div>
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There is the possiblity that it is not a Summary Courts-martial, but a Special Courts-Martial. Today, under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) it would have to be a Special Courts-Martial, but I am not sure what the circumstances were in 1939. Because NPRC states that it has Summary Courts-Martials on file that do not result in a BCD it leads me to believe that Summary Court-Martials could sentence an enlisted man to a BCD at some time in the past. </div>
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HQMC-CMC<br />
MMSR-10<br />
2008 Elliot<br />
Quantico, VA 22134<br />
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If
that does not work I would So I would start with the Marine Corps
Historical Center to see if they know where they are located. <br />
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Since the Marine Corps and the Navy are all part of the Navy Department it might be that they are found in Navy JAG records.<br />
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They
would be in RG 125, Records of the Office of the Judge Advocate General
(Navy), but they seem to end in 1930 at NARA. So if the MCHC does not
pan out I would then look to the Naval Historical Center.<br />
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Additionally, a same-name
ancestor, and the name <em>is</em> unusual, enlisted and served in the U.S. Army
in 1944. Could this have been possible if the enlistee had served time in
a Marine Corps prison? <br />
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<span style="color: red;">He probably lied about prior service. In 1944 they were not that picky
and probably did not check to see if there was prior service.</span><br />
<br /><br /><span style="color: red;">Hope this helps.</span><br style="color: red;" /><br style="color: red;" /><span style="color: red;">Craig</span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-51828954311321451812012-07-15T10:19:00.000-07:002012-07-15T10:19:49.282-07:00The Underwood Sisters?<span style="font-family: Calibri;"><span style="font-size: medium;">I would also to prove the relationship of two women who I suspect are sisters in my family tree.<span> </span>I have an ancestor - Rebecca Underwood - who appears in the <br />
census suddenly in 1860 in Clarke County, Iowa.<span> </span>The Census states she was from Indiana.<br />
<br />
<span style="color: red;">You have to admit that the household she is in in 1860 in Clarke County
is an interesting one. I think you need to look at why she is in the
Hunt household. I would not consider Iowa to necessarily be a safe place
for an unemployed 18 year old woman. It looks like she marries prior to
the 1870 census. When does she marry, to whom, where, when? </span><br />
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<span> </span>I am pretty sure she is my ancestor based on her location in the Iowa census.<br />
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<span style="color: red;">How are you sure? Not from what is in the 1860 census. Must be something else.</span><br style="color: red;" />
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I checked Indiana for census records on Rebecca and there is a Rebecca
Underwood in the 1850 – 1870 Censuses in Hendricks, Indiana that has a
similar birth year but I have ruled her out as a match because I have
the 1870 census for my Rebecca Underwood (now Proctor) in the same place
in Clarke County, Iowa.<span> <br />
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<span style="color: red;">If you found Rebecca in 1850 in Indiana, did you also find the person you suspect of being her sister in the same household? </span><br style="color: red;" />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium;">I
believe I have found Rebecca’s sister based on the fact that the 1880
Census for Rebecca states that she has her niece and nephew living with
her and her husband.<span> </span>The census gave the niece and nephew’s name as Mary and William Lafollette, who were born in Indiana.</span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">Could you send me the citiation. I don't see the census record you are refering to.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium;"><span> </span>I was able to find a marriage record for a Susanna Underwood who married a Joshua LaFollette in Clarke Co Iowa in Jul 1859.<span> </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">Yet I don't see a Joshua LaFollette in the 1860 census.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium;"><span> </span>From the location and the names I am pretty sure that Rebecca and Susanna are sisters.<span> </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">Why is that?</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium;"><span> </span>However
I cannot find other Underwoods in Clarke Co – there is a group of
Underwoods who lived in Mahaska County, Iowa but the census records seem
spotty for them and I do not find any Underwood Iowa family trees on <a href="http://ancestry.com/" target="_blank">ancestry.com</a> that have sisters named Susanna and Rebecca.</span></div>
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<span style="color: red;">Probably because you are not looking for an Iowa family with a Susanna and Rebecca but an Indiana one.</span><br />
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<span style="color: red;">I
suggest that you focus on finding Rebecca in Indiana (or elsewhere) in
1850 and also the person you believe to be her sister. There is also the
possibility that the residents of the Hunt household in 1850 believed
that she was born in Indiana, whereas she might have just been from
Indiana but born in another state. Regardless, given their ages and the
issue that you believe them to be in the same county in 1860, they
should be together in 1850 somewhere.</span><br style="color: red;" />
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I also continue to wonder who this Garner Hunt might be and what his
family looks like. Why would Rebecca end up in this household. Is there a
relationship between her and any of the other people in this household.</span><br style="color: red;" />
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In the 1880 census do both sisters have parents born in the same states.</span><br style="color: red;" />
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I would not rule out the Rebecca Underwood of Hendricks just yet.</span><br style="color: red;" />
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C.</span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-21207482533372840472012-05-07T19:34:00.002-07:002012-05-07T19:34:40.487-07:00Emily Gloria Grey<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">Emily Gloria</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><u>Grey</u></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">was born born 19 June 1915 per her social security application. [The names of her parent's are blacked out, however I am appealing that based on the fact that she is deceased as well as her husband, and I am a direct descendent. All pertinent documentation was sent in along with the appeal. It's been 30 days and nothing from them yet].</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">On her social security application she states her birth place as Baltimore, Maryland. Emily</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Grey</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">married Weldon W. Tyson on 17 May 1935 in Anne Arundel, Annapolis, Maryland. She states she was 20 at the time of marriage with no prior marriages. </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">Emily</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Gray</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">Tyson died 31 December 1994 at Peninsula Medical Center in Fruitland, Putnam, Florida. Her birth date is given as 19 June 1915. She was a widow.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: #222222; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;">Based on this information I took a trip to the Baltimore State Archives, in Annapolis, MD to look for Emily's birth record. After spending 3 hours with a very nice archivist no birth record was found within a 5 year time span for an Emily Gloria Grey/Gray in Baltimore or Annapolis County. Now I'm stuck.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">You don't mention finding Emily as a child of anyone in the 1920 and 1930 census enumerations. That is where I would start looking while you wait for the SS-5 to appear. </span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">I would also look for a newspaper article about the marriage of Emily and Weldon and see what clues it provides. Might be in the Baltimore Sun since she was from Baltimore.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">I have very little faith in social security applications or even marriage certificates for that matter. My great-grandmother not only cheated at checkers, but she also managed to have two entirely different sets of parents between the SS-5, the church record of the marriage and the county record of the marriage.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">As an aside, the archives in Annapolis is the Maryland State Archives. There is no Annapolis County, it is Anne Arundel. And Baltimore County is not the same thing as Baltimore City, they have been separate since 1859 (that is off the top of my head, I think it is right). So if you did not look at Baltimore City records, you should do that.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The first thing that I do when I encounter a male death in the 1917 to 1919 timeframe is consult my database of known dead in World War One. There were five Cravers, but none from NC or named Thomas. Sometimes it pans out, mostly not.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I have a great uncle that was struck by a train. But there was a newspaper article and fortunately a piece of paper in his pocket with the name and address of his brother in Oklahoma. That was how the family learned of the death of Worton French Scott, hit by a train in California. Family lore has it that he rode a lot of trains.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Blank causes of death are not unheard of. Probably means that there was the expectation of a coroner's inquest. So you headed down the right path to find the coroner's report but probably went about it in the wrong way. A coroner would be responsible for providing his findings to the appropriate court. So in the absence of a report from the medical examiner I would look in Forsyth County court minutes. The county court, according to the "Guide to County Records in the North Caroline Archives" has court minutes from 1915 to 1931 on film. Can you figure out the name of the coroner at the time in the records. Try looking for him in newspaper articles. It could be that at the time of the death the person, because of the trauma of the accident could not be identified so the article is about an unidentified person being hit by a train.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Also in examining the possibilities for court records in the county there are two boxes of Railroad Records, 1870 - 1930. Can't imagine what they are, but they must be worth a look. I believe that you should also look for suit between the family and the railroad. Could it have been a wrongful death?</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Looking at GenealogyBank.com is only one of the places to look. And the Winston-Salem Journal is a good place also, but again only one of the places to look. There might have been more than one paper in Forsyth County at the time. So that should be examined to see what other papers should be consulted. It is also possible that he was struck by a train in some other place than Forsyth County and came home to die. So the accident was in one jurisdiction and the death in another. Where did he live in the county in relation to the railroad? There is a good NC railroad map for 1900 online, just Google it. It looks like two different rail companies ran through the county in that timeframe.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">There is of course the possibility that the train that he was hit by was a foundry train. It looks like he was an iron moulder the year before his death. You should look for the company records and see if his death was a result of being hit by something at work. My own great-grandfather was a moulder who was hit in the head by something while he was working at the Newport News Shipyard in the early 1900s. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: blue; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">It looks like he might have been working for Briggs-Shaffner Company and they still exist today. Now the question for the other readers is how did I know that he was a iron moulder and worked for Briggs-Shaffner in 1917?</span><br />
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you on historic pension records for genealogy research. Specifically
corporate pension records. By way of background, I'm a librarian not a
genealogist. However, I did work for
a time at a private-sector financial services firm that handled company
pensions. (For instance, AT&T -- one of their clients -- has
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<span style="font-family: tahoma;">My question specifically is do you
know of any resources, websites, or sources about company pension plans
for family history research? The public and military pensions are great
resources. I assume the corporate
ones would be as well, if the information became public. I have done a
bit of searching, but can't find any myself. That is outside of a
couple railroad archives and
<a href="http://www.pbgc.gov/" target="_blank">www.pbgc.gov</a>. I suspect a big roadblock will be private nature of these records. Any information or suggestions would be most welcome.</span></div>
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I have no experience in these records, but as you are aware these large
corporations have librarians and archivists (quiet as they might be).
That is where I would start. Your point about private is well taken,
they probably are going to be inaccessible, but you won't know til you
try.</div>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-18352800047815848142012-03-29T06:44:00.000-07:002012-03-29T06:44:04.717-07:00<h2 style="font-weight: normal;">
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<span>Where would I find a census record of a soldier supposedly
stationed at Fort/Camp Jesup, Louisiana in 1840? I've searched for him
on Ancestry.com reading line by line without success.</span><br />
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<span>A fort would be a somewhat permanent structure, a camp is a more
impermanent place. In the case of Fort Jesup it was built in 1822. It was a fort and would remain so until
about 1846 when it was abandoned. There is a state park there today, so the park ranger might be a good person to contact to see if they have a card file or something of that ilk that deals with soldiers at the fort.</span><span><br /></span></div>
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<span>It is likely for this time period you will not find a census record for a soldier at Fort Jesup. Military people are ignored a lot when it comes to census enumerators.</span></div>
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<span>It would be a good idea to determine what units were at the fort in 1840. Your soldier could be a part of the fort headquarters staff or part of an infantry, cavalry or artillery regiment stationed there.</span></div>
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<span>If you do not know what unit the soldier was in you can start on Ancestry.com with the Register of Enlistments.</span></div>
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<span>Regimental muster rolls are found on NARA microfilm for the years after 1821 when the Army reorganized into the alpha company - numbered regimental system.</span></div>
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<span><span style="color: blue;">So finding the soldier on the muster rolls would be like finding them on the census in that time period.</span></span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-27469314293027241782012-02-13T15:41:00.000-08:002012-02-13T16:48:52.785-08:00Henry Stone, Georgia Revolutionary War Soldier<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;">Were there any applications for the 1832 Cherokee Land Lottery in
Georgia? If so, where are they located?</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;">There were two lotteries in Georgia in 1832, one Land and one Gold. The land lottery was in the northern most part of the state and gave away the Cherokee Nation in 160 acre parcels. It was these two lotteries that caused the "Trail of Tears." </span></div>
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To ascribe to it would mean that I considered such rule of thumb to always be true. I don't believe that anything is always true. This tombstone exists in isolation and given that the last names match it does not mean much. You will need to find other evidence to support the possibility of the prior marriage.. </div>
</div>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-90646568747093723842012-02-09T15:26:00.000-08:002012-02-09T15:37:20.951-08:00It Just does not add up<div>
I would like to ask for your assistance in cracking a genealogical "brick wall" with which I have been struggling on and off for some 20 years. At age 97 I am starting to be concerned that I may not live long enough to see it broken.</div>
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I am not sure how best to proceed. Perhaps a brief description of what I have found and my understanding of the "brick wall" will suffice for now.</div>
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On page 975 of the "History of Bedford New Hampshire from 1737- published by the town - 1903" by the Rumford Printing Company of Concord, N.H. ... the page's heading reads "Genealogies - McDowell" and a sub-head of "McDowell or McDole". </div>
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The genealogy continues for another like number of lines, but the above is enough, I believe, for my query. I have searched Passenger Ship listings for years without locating one listing a father and two sons - <u>under </u><u>any name </u>- sailing from any port to Boston or to other cities both north and south of </div>
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<span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;"><br /></span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-65732755264000452022011-11-24T06:15:00.000-08:002011-11-24T06:19:42.689-08:00War of 1812 Enlistment Papers<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">> When a young man enlisted in the army in 1812, was he required to give the name of his parents and their residence?</span><br /><br />There are at least two kinds of forces in the Army in 1812. The<br />militia and the Regular Army. The basic document of enlistment in the<br />U.S. Army is the enlistment paper. The enlistment paper gives the<br />name, place of enlistment, date of enlistment, by whom enlisted, age<br />occupation, personal description, and regimental assignment, usually.<br />If they exist they are either found in the compiled military service<br />record or in RG 94, Records of the Adjutant General's Office. If in RG<br />94 they could be in a number of different entries, but entry 91,<br />Enlistment Papers, 1798 - 1912 is the place to start. Entry 94,<br />Personal Papers might have them if they were moved from Entry 91.<br /><br />There is no requirement to give names of parents or guardians unless<br />the soldier is under age. I have personally only seen this information<br />on Civil War and after enlistment papers.<br /><br />Another place to look is the Register of Enlistments. A description is found at:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.archives.gov/research/military/army/enlisted-records-1789-1914.pdf">http://www.archives.gov/research/military/army/enlisted-records-1789-1914.pdf</a><br /><br />There is further information on this subject at:<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.archives.gov/blog/2010/04/23/family-tree-friday-the-last-word-on-cmsr-personal-papers/">http://blogs.archives.gov/blog/2010/04/23/family-tree-friday-the-last-word-on-cmsr-personal-papers/</a><br /><br />And here is my most favorite spot for 1812 and the Archives:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.archives.gov/research/alic/reference/military/war-of-1812.html">http://www.archives.gov/research/alic/reference/military/war-of-1812.html</a><br /><br />This document is helpful in researching soldiers in this period. The<br />Register of Enlistments is also available on the subscription service,<br />www.Ancestry.com. They sometimes have free periods during military<br />holidays like Memorial Day or Veterans Day.<br /><br />The militia is a different story and there you can only rely on muster<br />and payrolls for most of the information and it does not relate to<br />parents or guardians. However, by knowing the makeup of the company<br />you can usually recreate the neighborhood that the soldier lived in as<br />most of his comrades were neighbors.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">> There seems to have been no application form for entry into the US armed</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">> forces, or at least, so I am told.</span><br /><br />An enlistment paper is not an application form, but a contract between<br />the U.S. government and the soldier.<br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">> I've wondered if full personnel</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">> folders don't exist somewhere, but if they do, no one in the Archives</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">> wants to admit it.</span><br /><br />There are no personnel folders for officers or enlisteds during this<br />time period. Officer personnel records are not kept until 1863.<br />Enlisted personnel jackets do not come into being until World War I.<br />These personnel jackets are located at the National Personnel Records<br />Center for the WWI and after periods. More information can be found<br />at:<br /><br /> <a href="www.archives.gov/st-louis/">www.archives.gov/st-louis/<br /></a><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);">> They know they haven't the manpower to find and copy the files.</span><br /><br />Since they would be coping the records for a fee, I am sure that if<br />they had the records they would be glad to copy them, if you ordered<br />them. In the more than forty years that I have been going to the<br />Archives (some years it was three days a week; now it is more like<br />three times a year) I have not ever encountered an issue of having the<br />archives staff hide records from me because they did not have the<br />manpower or did not want to copy the files. They have always been<br />helpful and I have looked for some very esoteric military things.<br /><br />On a different light, those people interested in the prisoners at<br />Quebec Prison, Eric Johnson has put a book together on the POWs. He<br />follows in the footsteps of Harrison Scott Baker who did the prior<br />volumes on other prisons, but died before Quebec could be done.<br /><br />C.Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-15477340261816215212011-10-15T10:27:00.000-07:002011-10-15T10:29:20.710-07:00Memorial Hill, Blanford CemeteryI have a question about a Blandford Cemetery which is located in Petersburg, VA. A client of mine has a ancestor who<br />is buried in Memorial Hill there. I contacted the cemetery by email explaining that I was trying to find more information<br />but was told that all they knew was online and that Memorial Hill was a mass burial.<br /><br />You can search the listing for the cemetery at <a href="http://www.petersburg-va.org/blandford/index.asp" target="_blank">http://www.petersburg-va.org/<wbr>blandford/index.asp</a> which I did for my client.<br />My question is what does everything else mean on the page and and where did the cemetery get the parent information.<br />Under other information it lists both supposed parents. There is also grave information which could perhaps indicate<br />there is a memorial stone but the person would not state this.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">Things that I know about Memorial Hill:</span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> It was created in 1868 and was designed by Henry D. Bird, a local civil engineer. The Bird Plan depicts sections of varying size for each of the Confederate States. The sections were separated by long curving paths. A map made at the time contained a list of soldiers buried in the New Burial Ground up to August 1, 1867.</span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> It was used by the Ladies Memorial Association to commemorate the dead specifically in 1875. Such a big deal it was that in 1877 the keeper forbade their entrance to the cemetery. </span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> Nearly 20,000 Confederates are buried at Blandford. 12,000 were interred by the Ladies Association on Memorial Hill after the close of the war; the others being buried by friends and family within the old cemetery limits. These interred soldiers came from many battles, not just those around Petersburg. Of these 20,000 fewer that 3,000 have been identified.</span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> This information comes from my copy of John O. Peters, Blandford Cemetery: Death and Life at Petersburg, Virginia.</span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> Military records would vary rarely contain the names of both parents, and rarely the name of one parent. Without knowing the circumstances of death it is hard to evaluate the situation. It is apparent that no soldier died in battle and was originally interred at Blandford since the first burial is not until 1868. So they either were killed in battle and later moved to Blandford or they died after 1868. If that was the case and it was in Virginia, the names of parents are part of the death register in the county of death and it is possible that Library of Virginia would have the death register on film.</span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> Hope this helps.</span><br /> <br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> C.</span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-52581158272417196172011-10-14T12:58:00.000-07:002011-10-14T13:04:44.168-07:00A soldier in the French and Indian WarIn fact I do have one re Wolfe's Storming of Quebec. Supposedly Jeremiah Newberry (possibly age 15 or 18 at the time) was with Wolfe. Jeremiah was born probably 1743 in New London, CT (Barbour's records) and moved with his family to Westerly, Rhode Island. Is there a reliable way to confirm or refute this?<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">The best place to confirm the involvement of a French and Indian War participant from CT or RI is in the local county history.</span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> </span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> For CT there are books originally published by the CT Historical Society from the records of the CT State Library. The one you are looking for is the two volume "Rolls of Connecticut Men in the French and Indian War, 1755 - 1764." The volume you really need is the second volume which covers 1758-1762. Heritage Books has this book for sale (the first volume is out of print, but should be back this year), so I looked for you and there is no mention of him in the index. I don't trust indexes, personally. It is also on Google Bookshelf as a limited view, but nothing appeared there. </span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> </span><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"> For Rhode Island there is "Rhode Island in the Colonial Wars: A List of Rhode Island Soldiers & Sailors in the Old French and Indian War, 1755-1762" which I have never seen. According to World Cat the closest places to you where you can find it are the Library of Congress and the Thomas Balch Library in Leesburg, Virginia (one of my very favorite libraries, I used to be on the Friends of the Thomas Balch Library of about ten years or so (or at least it seemed that long) </span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Hope this helps.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">C.</span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-86176016640158415282011-10-13T08:49:00.000-07:002011-10-13T08:50:10.303-07:00Pennsylvania Depreciaton LandsThat is good news, indeed, as I am trying to prove two people. Is there a place you would recommend to read more about this type of record? Do you know if the originals are indeed at the PA State Library?<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">There is a good article in The Western Pennsylvania Historical Magazine, Volumes 1 - 3. Google Bookshelf has it.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Don't forget the 1790 and 1800 Depreciation Tract Censuses.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">I believe that the records are in the Pennsylvania State Archives in RG 17.</span><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">C.</span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-19163929772205870612011-10-13T08:24:00.001-07:002011-10-13T08:42:26.573-07:00Pennsylvania Depreciaton Lands<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I am working on a problem that has to do with Revolutionary War service. I find the subject in the published PA Archives receiving “Depreciation Pay as per canceled certificates on file in the Division of Public Records, Pennsylvania State Library.” Actually I find two people listed who could be him, one a lieut. and one a private. Do you know if this list was taken over time and perhaps the private became the lieut. or was taken at the same time and they are two people? Or …?<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">My sense is that they would be two different people. If you look at the introduction to Bockstruck's Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants Awarded by State Governments (which does not index these depreciation grants as he does not consider them to be truly bounty land grants) it says that these lands were intended for compensation for the depreciation in Continental currency (Not Worth a Continental), script in the form of certificates of depreciation were accepted as payments for lands in the Depreciation Tract. I don't believe that it had anything to do with rank.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br /><br />C.<br /></span></span>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-36947552526049395712011-10-01T16:30:00.000-07:002011-10-01T17:11:06.082-07:00S O #s in Military Records<div>Craig-</div> <div> At the recent FGS conference I sat next to you at the Geneabloggers get together Thurs. night at Bennigan’s. I barely remember the evening because I was so tired, but I do remember you talking about your “Stump Craig” among other things. After I returned home I was working on some of my files for ancestors from the Civil War and the Spanish American War when I realized that you might be able to help me with a question that has frustrated me. <br /><br />How/where can I find out what behavior or issue S.O. #’s refer to? I assume that this could change from unit to unit??? I also asked about this when I was at the state archives in Springfield and they didn’t know.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">An S.O. is a Special Order; the number refers to the which Special Order it might be. It does vary from unit to unit. Probably the most famous of the Special Orders is one issued by the Army of Northern Virginia; Special Order 191 which detailed General Lee's plans for the forthcoming invasion of Maryland. A copy of that Special Order was lost and found by Union soldiers. The battles of South Mountain and Antietam were the result. What is important to know about a Special Order is its number and what organization issued it. A regiment (like the 13th Kansas Infantry) can receive a special order from a variety of different organizations above it in the chain of command.</span><br /></div> <div> </div> <div> 1st- my gr. grandfather, David B. Walker was in the 13th Kansas Infantry, Company G. He was discharged 24 Nov 1863 when he was injured at the battle of Pea Ridge but his muster out record states that in addition to the injury, he was also discharged per S.O. #302.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">In 1963 the 13th Kansas Infantry was attached to the 2nd Brigade, 1st Division, Army of the Frontier, Department of Missouri, until February 1863. District of Southwest Missouri, Department of Missouri, to June 1863. District of the Frontier, Department of Missouri, to December 1863. Frederick H. Dyer, </span><i style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">A Compendium of the War of the Rebellion </i><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);">is the best place to find this information.</span><br /><br /><i style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);"></i><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0);"> So it is possible that S.O. #302 was issued by the District of the Frontier, or the Department of the Missouri or the U.S. Army itself.</span><br /> <br /></div> <div>2nd – John W. O’Connor was in the 7th Infantry, Company K during the Spanish American War. In the muster out remarks it states: June 1, 1898 reduced from Sergeant to private per paragraph No. 1, per S.O. No. 10:July 1, 1898 appointed Sergeant from private per S.O. 21. Sick in quarter July 31.<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);">Special Orders exist for a variety of reasons, to combine units together to create one, to move units from one place to another, to create parades and to report the results of courts-martial to name a few. So O'Connor could only go from sergeant to private as a result of a courts-martial. You ought to track that down. If it was a General Courts-Martial there is a microfilm index at NARA. Although the results of those are usually G.O (General Orders), so it might have been a lower military court. And apparently a month later, a reviewing authority disagreed with the findings of the court-martial and reinstated him to sergeant. If you are able to find the courts-martial transcript there should be a copy of the S.O. in the file. In the absence of any other information, that is my first assumption (aka guess). Sick in quarters has nothing to do with a Special Order. He just is not sick enough to be in a hospital.<br /><br />Hope is helps.<br /><br />C.<br /></span><br /><br /></div> <div> </div>Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8594353637633257274.post-73807120177430833522010-02-25T13:57:00.000-08:002010-02-25T14:33:28.602-08:00Locating where a Virginian might be from, part 2Still having trouble finding where that Virginian was from in Virginia after they moved. If you have a Virginia Revolutionary War ancestor then it might be easier to locate them than you think. Knowing the name of the company captain will go a long way in helping you. If the service was in the Continental Line and you know the name of the captain then consult E. M. Sanchez-Saavedra's <span style="font-style: italic;">A Guide to Virginia Military Organizations in the American Revolution, 1774 - 1787</span>. In many instances the entry might look something like this:<br /><br />3rd Virginia Regiment of Foot<br />3rd Company<br />Captain Charles West<br />Raised in Loudoun.<br /><br />Loudoun at the time of the Revolution was the most populous county, they even had a draft riot.<br /><br />Of course, if you are interested in the 3rd Virginia, Joan Peters has just authored a two volume set on the unit. The Third Virginia Regiment of the Foot, 1776 - 1778, With Flags Flying and Drums Beating. The first volume is a history of the unit and the second volume are the biographies of the soldiers.<br /><br />If your soldier was in the militia and you know one of the officers then J. T. McAllister's <span style="font-style: italic;">Virginia Militia in the Revolutionary War</span> is the best way to determine what county that officer was from, through his militia appointment.<br /><br />A typical entry might look like this:<br /><br />Section 261 - Fauquier<br />Atwell, Francis, gent., Cp., Sept. 28, 1778<br /><br />If it turns out you have an interest in Fauquier then T. Triplett Russell and John K. Gott's <span style="font-style: italic;">Fauquier County in the Revolution</span> contains a listing of soldiers from the county along with the history of the county's participation in the war.<br /><br />So it is possible if you know an officer in the company that your ancestor served in you can find the county that the soldier lived in.Stump Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17270765050242619225noreply@blogger.com0